McCain assaults Obama's ties to former radical

Will someone explain to me, when they say McCain may not live out his term as president and therefore Palin would then become the president and that would be disastrous for the country.
But when someone says Omaba may not live out his term and then Biden would become president and that would be worse yet, They say that's terrible to say!    Why ?
Is it alright to think of McCain dying in office but not Obama ?

Ayers may be a "former" or "ex" terrorist bomber, but he is STILL a radical.

This is the McSame old GOP neocon playbook that has been used over and over again.  As a result of the 2000 Presidential campaign, McCain has taken the "if you can't beat them, join them approach.  The transparency of his win at all costs ambition to be "the decider" is increasing exponentially with his back against the wall with less than a month to go.  The basic necesseties and grave concerns of voters will, this time, most likely override the fear/culture propaganda which has served so well for these free market, do as they want to, control the world, order through chaos, new world order architects.  It will only become worse before the election. 

Independent voters in the midwest here this, from a former Alabama Republican voter, please do not be fooled by the charade this time, do yourselves and the country a favor and remove these people from power.  McCain/Palin wouldn't be running our country; the same people in the shadows of the Bush administration would.

Hey Paul 246112.   I don't believe your really that out of touch, however you certainly can NOT compare Palin to Biden as far as ability to RUN this country??? Also there a big difference for someone who is in his 70s and not 100% healthy to a relatively healthy man being killed as is being stirred up by your corrupt, sick  dog with lip stick and her new found bimbo !
Get ready for a BIG movement in this country where WE may toss all repugnants out. Your disturbed slimey stump speaches are and will continue to backfire !! O8/12 

I agree.  McCain and Palin's rallies are becoming a rallying point for a lynch mob and this scares me.  It's amazing and scary how people will believe what they are told without doing their own research.  McCain's lies are becoming more dangerous to Obama's safety and security than any terrorist could ever hope for.  He aligns Obama with terrorist while creating his own. It's funny, I would take ten years off my life to have had McCain be president these past eight years instead of Bush.  Now, it's as if he's become a totally different person.  A frightening change.

Short of ripping off his shoe and whacking it repeatedly on the podium - I'm not sure just how much more like Kruschev this guy could get.....!!!  Absoutly no one is admitted to one of his rallies unless they are a card carrying Republican, shills planted in the audience to shout disparaging comments - at exactly the right moments - he has a whole national NEWS (?) organization at their beck-and-call with misinformed twisted (often manufactured) versions of the "Pravda" (truth) and a whole cast of comrades comprising his staff.  What a guy..., and people are still listening to his rethotic!!!  Come on.....

In case you haven't seen it yet - give this a read, turns out "Your Hero" isn't as squeeky clean as he wants you to believe, he's just squeeky: 

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

The Emperor no longer has his uniform.... 

Watching video of people coming out of McCain and Palin's rallies reminds me of cornered rats.  They are really vicious and hateful.  It is not that they are whipped up to believe in their platform, they are being whipped up to Hate Obama.  This is really dangerous.  The right wing is full of kooks anyway, and it is incitement to violence to do this.

Are you talking about McCain not understanding the economy? Were you asleep when Obama repeatedly offered saving homeowners who are in trouble with mortgages and covering everybody with health care and tax break (really?) for 95% of Americans - NEVER saying HOW? with what money? Obama only promises and some naive people like you buy it. We go through this every four years, remember? Finally, Obama does not have ties to FORMER terrorists, they are still the same terrorists. Obama's true agenda will unfold, if he gets elected. Then, there will be no turning back. Michael 

Anyone who still thinks that McCain is not like the George Bush administration of Fear, should only look at the past two weeks.   Actually, this ticket is even scarier than the Bush/Cheney ticket.    They are starting to look like raving lunatics, and the rallies are nothing less than Mob scenes.   Completely irresponsible.   We deserve what we will get, if we re-elect these fear mongering neo-cons.

McCains mother should have disciplined him more...he is like a child that sees something he wants being taken out of reach and begins to through a fit. Get a life McCain.  He didn't want a disfigured wife so he left her for Cindy McCain, half his age and whom he had an affair with prior to leaving his first wife.

And Ms. Palin has thrown her Christianity under the bus to partake in slander and lies - shame on her - for someone who likes to call herself, and McCain, Maverick they appear as the same old crap the GOP has put out for the past several elections...pitiful. 

Then Palin speaks to a convention of Independent Alaska Party - where the leader says he hates American and refuses to be buried under the American Flag - her husban (and I believe) she were members.  Not the brightest bulbs on the tree.

For those foolish enough to believeanything McCain says, here's some hard facts the maverick seems to have forgotten to tell you:In Letter to 'NYT,' Man Who Prosecuted Weather Underground Hits Linking Ayers to Obama

By Greg Mitchell

Published: October 10, 2008 9:00 AM ETNEW YORK In a surprising a letter to the editor published in The New York Times today, the chief prosecutor of the Weather Underground in the 1970s expressed outrage over the linking of Barack Obama to Bill Ayers by the McCain campaign, adding, "Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen."

William C. Ibershof also corrects a charge in the Times:"I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of 'prosecutorial misconduct.' It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director."The full letter follows:As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers's terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.

Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.

Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.

I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of "prosecutorial misconduct." It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.

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Is there anyone in the McCain camp who is even watching the Dow Jones, the credit markets or any other aspect of the current economic meltdown? I guess not, since all McCain and Palin can talk about is Bill Ayers.

HALT- This issue in the market is the delayed time bomb that was planted by the Clinton administration (New York Times, Sept 30, 1999) and Congress pressuring Fannie Mae to give sub-prime (unqualified people) mortgages to the low income and minorities unable to meet loan criteria.  The evil man does lives on after them, ticking bombs will explode, extremist racists may lie, but the truth comes out eventually. 

Let's see you liberals cite the basis for your wild assumptions.

How can you trust any of them?

Paul,  Of course either could die in office.  The concern about McCain is that he is 72, battled cancer 3 times. and suffers from permanent afflictions due to his years spent in a POW camp.  Chronic arthritis for one.  If he should die he leaves us with a grossly inexperienced Palin.

If Obama should die I suspect it would be an affliction caused by the negative campaign of Palin and McCain.  Theirs is a mission to insight hostility among the far right extremist.  Obama however, will leave us with a competent and experience V.P.

Seems pretty clear cut to the Independents, Democrats and a rising amount of republicans.

No one really has any experience until you  are the president. Clinton was a Governor, Bush was a governor, every president has advisers, you don't go at it alone.

Not only was Obama a risk 3 months ago, he was a risk 20 years ago when he began sitting in the racist, America hating Jeremiah Wright's church.  And he was a risk way back in his Chicago days when he allied himself with the terrorist Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn and with "Acorn", the organization who's primary purpose is to register fradulent voters. 

The idea that anyone would link Obama to Ayers during his radical terrorist years when Obama was just a kid

But if you want to ask what someone was doing "back when", why don't you ask what McCain was doing before and during the Savings and Loan bail-out (remember? that was the last time we had a Republican in office for 2 terms - Reagan - and we had to bail out the rich CEOs then too). Why don't you find out what McCain's relationship was with the Keating 5, and why he wasn't prosecuted also. I guess it is good to have friends in high places. 

I believe McCain, don't you? He and his campaign, and his running mate, have been completely credible, no? And wait until McCain reveals more about the link between Obama and Ayers, like the fact that they've been in a gay relationship since Obama was 8 years old! All Obama needs to do is prove that he wasn't. I challenge him to prove he hasn't been "getting it on" with Ayers all these years. After all, everybody knows that those people are really, really into sex. Don't you?

To Paul-246112, I agree with some of the others. Are you kidding?  People are concerned about McCain's age and his health.  That is why there's more discussion of his possibly not making it through a first term.  Anything that would cause Obama 'not to make it' through his first term would be a tragedy because of his age and because he's in good health.

The article neglects to mention that Ayers founded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Obama was appointed Board Chair and served in one capacity or another on the board from 1988 to 1991, Obama wrote rave blurb for Ayer's book (so he must have known him somewhat better than he would like people to think)...oh yeah! Did I forget to mention that while serving as the Board Chair for CAC, he sent money to ACORN, yes, that's right, the ACORN that is currently under scrutiny for allegations of voter fraud. At the very least, his judgement is a bit questionable.

WAKE UP!!

Neither candidate is worthy of this high position based on man's view. God is not surprised at what is going on in the political field nor the economic crisis. We are so deserving of all that's occuring right now. I just feel for the next generation(s) and how we have ruined things for them. SHAME ON US ALL!! NO ONE IS EXEMPT! 

McCain sure hits it right on the money for me.  Let's not let our ambiguities get in the way of good judgement.

To observer- there is nothing wrong with "radical thinking". Thinking ourside the box is what built this country. Our foundering fathers were "terrorists" by today's standards.Radical thinking got us to the moon.

If you blow up a building you should suffer the consequences. But having served on a committe with a college Professor, does not equate to terrorism. Inciting fear and panic is agianst the law however, and therefore the distorted facts about Obama by the McPalin campaign are punishable by law. If you think I'm being too extreme, loo at the reaction at their rally's by someof the attendees. Frightening!

Intelligent people - the majority of Newsvine readers - will pay little to no attention to the cut-and-paste Obama-bashing messages posted by the alleged "truthseeker" and others.

According to the right-wing professional liars, Obama is a black white Muslim pseudo-Christian Arab communist socialist Marxist terrorist anti-Christ baby killer. Which, if true, definitely makes Obama an over-achiever!

This is the last gasp for the dying politics of fear.

I agree.  McCain should tell us why he was a member of the group which sent military supplies to terrorist & how he was part of the Iran contra scandal during the 1980s.  let's also hear more about Palien's involvement with a radical group which wants to separate from Alaska from America.  is it true she spoke at one of the meetings earlier this year and then said "good job"..

Darin - I totally agree with you.  McCain is desperate and pathetic - that's why he's resorting to character assassination.   He keeps saying he knows how to fix our problems.  Why doesn't he tell us how instead bashing his opponents? 

Obama is a muslim and needs to be kept out of the sacred office of the president.  He siad nad i quote "I will stnad with the muslims should the politicla winds shift in a ugly direction" this is from his book Audacuity of Hope.  He has several radical friends and his economic plans would be to develop socialism uin a capialtaistic country he wants to take all that I have worked hard for all my life and give it to all who sit on their butts at home, get out get a job and pay for your own helathcare...god help us if he becomes president

 Some Idiot wrote "Hold McCain responsible if Harm comes to Obama". Are you SERIOUS?? The reason Obama leads in the polls is because America is busting at the seams with uneducated, unpatriotic, "give me something for nothing" People. I hope you simpletons get your wish.. 

Too bad the media doesn't reveal Obama's association with ACORN, the "Community Organizer's" group that is under investigation for massive voter fraud in several States and who also brought suit against banks to force them into providing sub-prime mortgages to unqualified borrowers that is at the root of the financial crisis we're going through. I suspect they'll get around to it, but only AFTER the election is over.

McLame reminds me of Tim Conway on the old Carol Burnett show as he shuffles around the stage at the last debate, muttering the same crap over and over, maybe he needs Mrs. Whiggins to come in and help him find his way back to the home. COME ON MC LAME, YOU NEED TO RETIRE, Oh WAIT YOU CANT, YOU LOST ALL YOUR RETIREMENT FUND IN THE MARKET THIS WEEK LIKE THE REST OF US HUH? MAYBE YOU COULD SELL ONE OF YOUR SEVEN HOUSES, OOOPS THE MARKET REALLY ISN'T TOO GOOD FOR THAT RIGHT NOW EITHER, HEY WALMART NEEDS A PART TIME GREETER. WAKE UP AMAERICA THIS MAN IS NOT OUR FUTURE LEADER, HE IS MORE OF THE SAME OUT OF TOUCH, NO REAL PLAN, GOOD O'L BOY MENTALITY THAT HAS RUN WASHINGTON AND OUR COUNTRY IN TO THE GROUND.

Reading all this reotoric talk I'm appalled. I want everybody who reads this to understand this is what I believe.When anybody who runs for office the person needs and should earn, everybody who votes for them, their vote. We as a nation need to send those people to Washington and when they go they should never represent a party but the state who sent them. We as a people do a great disservice to this country when we believe a representative or senator should represent us and and our own self centered ideals.So if you are voting for a man or woman who has earned your vote then vote for them and be happy you did because that is freedom, you have a chance to decide.Now to the gist of my rant. No one person should ever recieve a vote because of the color of ones skin.It does this country a great injustice for you to vote f that way, and it works the other way as well not voting for that person because of the color of his skin. It has all been taken into account when they selected who they selected. The people in power know what their doing and know how to manipulate the American public. If any body really believes they were apart of the selection process they need to be put away we selected who they wanted us to select.Our choices were given to us and they were only the parties choices not ours.In ending I'm pleading with you as voters to educate your self by doing the research and understanding you candidate and vote for the man or woman who EARNED your vote not the one the media is allowing you to know best. I've done it and frankly is scares me to death to vote for either candidate neither has earned my vote. I  think voting in the lesser of to evils is wrong and voting for who I believe is going to win is wrong.When stepping into the both on November 4th my vote will mean something to the one its supposed to mean something to, myself because I live in America the home of the FREE and where I am unique and where the government is not suppose to remove those freedom from me. Please vote Nov 4th and remember we as a public will get the government that we voted for and not the government this country was founded  under.

This election has me deeply concerned, due to the fact that both sides of this battle have serious character flaws and questionable alliances.  When did this country become a two party system and why? We must all realize that a true democracy allows anyone to be voted in, yet we have, most of us at one time or another (including myself), been forced into choosing the lesser of two evils. (Now I am not saying that these men and woman are evil, per say, merely a figure of speech.)  What is it in us that makes us believe that we have no other choice than these two?  Are we afraid that we have to pick one or the other less the other side win when we "waste" our vote? 

Perhaps, in time, enough of us will be begin to realize that "we" have the power to change this country if we begin to ignore the sound bites, turn away from the scare tactics, and decide to finally elect a person who truly represents this country, not just the face of a corporation.  I for one would love to see someone in office who cares about me and not just how to make his or her buddies rich. Be that as it may, in the end we must vote with our heads and our hearts.  Regardless of what the polls, radio, television, or neighbors may think, don't be afraid to voice your opinion, and for heaven's sake everyone please vote!!!  Words are great, but actions are what will truly bring change!

Oh howfar the McCain folks will go to try to get everone off of what is most important and that is the economy.   All of those above who try there hardest to link Obama to a terrorist ceel really are out of touch.  McCain is desperate and now will throw anything out regardless if it is true or not.  Those of you who believe are just as small minded as he.

If you were a true patriot then you would be asking question on the Palin's and the AIP movement.  Talk about terrorism, Al Qaida could take lessens from the sickos.  Why did she give a keynote speech and was fully supportive of the secession from the US.

as you can see for yourself at factcheck.org "truthseeker" is talking some major BS!

DarinD    Obama HAS been a RISK the whole time.  However, thanks to the news media you haven't heard about it!

After this year when it blows up in their face this will end this approach. In the past when the economy was stable it may have worked but except for the few die hard republicans left that attend McCain Lie conferences jobs the economy and stability in the government brought on by Republicans is what we want to hear about. By abdicating Michigan and now issues McCain has proved he in fact is not the one to lead this country.

Are the republicans going to Unite behind Barrack Obama when he is elected President like they kept demanding the public do because Bush was elected President and they all said "no matter what you think about Bush, he is our President and we need to stand behind hiim" - me thinks not...

Republicans are hypocrits to the Nth degree - at least we independents (myself) and democrats stood our ground and said Bush was wrong and thousands died...  its going to be a very nasty year and I hope they SEVERELY increase security for Barrack...

Hey Scooby look, thats not a ghost, its just Old Man McCain. And he would have got away with it to if it weren't for them meddiling kids.

Another Mystery soveld by Scooby Doo and the bunch.

A witch, a witch I say. How do you know Obama is a witch? He turned me into a newt. I got better.

Honestly if it was not happening in front of my eyes I would not believe it. McCain is a dottering old fool who will soon be shunned by his party.

And as he goes on with his X-file search. McCain and Scully look for UFOs because he want us to believe.... That Obama, a fellow US Senator is unpatriotic. I have read of tactics like this. It was the McCarthy Hearings.

McCain is grasping at straws trying to revive his campaign through deceipt.  For a former Navy war hero this is less than honorable.  Stick to the hard facts.  Do not distort the truth.

I used to at least have some level of respect for McCain. Now he just looks desprate and is using the same techniques the Bush administration used to justify the Iraq war. Just using the the words Obama and terrorists over and over is like Bush using Iraq and terrorist and 9/11 all together over and over. Unfortunately it was an effective tactic. Probably because we still want to trust our leaders. A few months ago McCain indicated he was above this type of attacks. I'm sorry he has sunk so low.

Could the people in the audience spewing forth their questions etc be plants by the McCain/Palin camp?

How did these questioners get the microphone in the first place?

Having watched these sort of campaining stumping before I have not witnessed folks in the audience doing this sort of thing in the past, or in previous elections.

How off putting. The Secret Service must be working overtime checking these folks out. 

Isn't  it  against the law to insight folks or group of folks to do harm to anyone even if you do not participate in the act of harming the person yourself?

I dont know about you folks, but I looked carefully at those people standing behind McCain and Palin in those newsclips and those are the MOST MISERABLE looking people I have ever seen...  One womans mouth was so downturned it gave her triple chins...

And those crazies who shout out look like the biggest loosers in life, both socially and financially - I mean look at all those OLD OLD PEOPLE in his crowd with snears and such...  Then look at Barracks rallies - all those happy people cheering and smiling and looking for hope...  it thrills me to see the younger generation looking for peace and hope...

It all boils down to if you are a miserable unhappy hateful person vote McCain - if you are a happy, optomistic, cheerful and non-hateful person vote Obama...  need I say more???

OH BILL AYERS BILL AYERS BILL AYERS - HOW ABOUT CHEATING FIVE - CHEATING FIVE - CHEATING FIVE... or McCains own tied to Bill Ayers - 

  Struck me as being strange that they could interrupt and magically have a mic in their hands LOL

I watched earlier McCain stumps and this did not happen!

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ... I don't know who is pulling the strings for the Republican Party, but whoever it is, the time is ripe to put an end to this disgraceful campaign of John McCain and Sarah Palin.  They have become an international disgrace and laughing stock to this great country.  Please stop this outrage before someone is seriously injured or killed.  The constant lying and deceptions of McCain and his campaign can be dealt with, but inciting followers to commit who-knows-what, is criminal.  Even McCains' wife has joined the fray ... inciting the faithful about Obama voting against a military bill that McCain also voted against ... this is just ridiculous.  Attacking Obamas' character through people he has met over the years is ridiculous .... especially when his running mate, Palin, has been blessed by her own witch-doctor and John himself has had many questionable relationships.  It's not surprising that their poll numbers are constantly dropping, but that doesn't prevent the remaining hardcore supporters from causing a lot of damage.

"HALT- This issue in the market is the delayed time bomb that was planted by the Clinton administration (New York Times, Sept 30, 1999) and Congress pressuring Fannie Mae to give sub-prime (unqualified people) mortgages to the low income and minorities unable to meet loan criteria.  The evil man does lives on after them, ticking bombs will explode, extremist racists may lie, but the truth comes out eventually. 

Let's see you liberals cite the basis for your wild assumptions."

What? You're not going to blame Jimmy Carter? Others in your Republican Party/Lynch Mob have! If, as you claim, Bill Clinton was responsible for this nine years ago, why didn't your Republican heroes fix it? There was a Republican President, and a Republican Congress...so why didn't they stop the evil Bill Clinton's efforts to bankrupt the country? Since they didn't, aren't they to blame?

Republicans...Conservatives...Neo-cons. Their time in authority is mere days away from being finished. So they get desperate and fling mud, try to change Obama from a Senator to a terrorist...and in the above example, impersonate Sarah Palin and change the subject. So Obama served on the board of directors, with William Ayers, of a Republican funded organization that looked into inner city schools in Chicago. Your point? Obama goes from serving on a board to a terrorist? Are you really that paranoid?

Funny...John McCain was one of the Keating 5, a group which contributed to the Savings and Loan crisis in the late '80s/early '90s. Yet you hear of that about 5% as often as you hear about William Ayers. Why is that? Could it be because Barack Obama is avoiding mudslinging, leaving that to an increasingly desperate John McCain?

I'm going to spend a couple of days at least trolling the Fox News website to rub it in that Americans have elected President Barack Obama. The Republicans will be on one hand screaming in disgust, and on the other whining about electing a terrorist. Finally I will be able, at age 52, to thumb my nose and squeal "neener neener neener!" at those poor Republicans. You know, guys...it might not have been that bad if you hadn't foisted George W. Bush on us for the past eight years... 

How convenient of McCain to attack Obama for a minor involvement with a highly respected college professor on a charitable board headed by Walter Annenberg - a McCain supporter - for activities he was involved in when Obama was 8 years old, but not remember his own involvement with Charles Keating, a convicted felon partially responsible for the economic mess we are presently involved in!  McCain was a Senator at the time, was fully cognizant or Keating's illegal acts and was busy trying to "help him out."  Whose questionable associations should we be looking at?  Who is really lying by not telling the whole truth?  By the way, should we also be investigating McCain's relationship with Walter Annenberg who so respected Bill Ayers that he honored him with selection to his Charitable Board and is therefore responsible for Barak Obama's involvement with Bill Ayers?  After all, Walter Annenberg was an adult and aware of Mr. Ayers actions in the '60's as well as all his contributions to education subsequent to the '60's.  What a desperate act by a confused, angry old man! 

Paul - It is entirely understandable that someone in their 70's could die of sickness.  It is entirely different to contemplate the possibility that Obama might be assassinated.  Yes there are a lot of people who fear that.  I fear that Ms. Palin NOT denouncing such a suggestion is despicable.

WHY IS THE MEDIA , INCLUDING MSNBC, FOCUSING ON AYERS (a 1960s  reformed anti-VIETNAM WAR activist).  They are in bed with the Republicans and are helping them to spread lies and propaganda. Obama WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD when Ayers was an activist. He now teaches at a college in Chicago and works on a non-partisan board with REPUBLICANS to  help his community.  SARAH AND TODD PALIN ARE MEMBERS OF THE VIOLENT, ANTI-AMERICAN, EXPLOSIVE TRADING ALASKA INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT.  WHY IS THE MEDIA HIDING THIS FROM VOTERS/ WHEN DID OUR COUNTRY BECOME A BANANA REPUBLIC RUN BY NEOCON DICTATORS AND THEIR LAPDOGS IN THE MEDIA?  PS McCain has had involvements with anti-Semetic groups (that one is for you Florida!  Vote to reclaim our DEMOCRACY!

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How much bribe money does it take to transfer $700 Billion taxpayer dollars to Wall Street's elite?

GOLDMAN SACHS CONTRIBUTIONS:
Obama, Barack (D-IL) $691,930
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) $468,200
Romney, Mitt (R) $229,675
McCain, John (R-AZ) $208,395
Himes, Jim (D-CT) $114,748
Giuliani, Rudolph W (R) $111,750
Dodd, Christopher J (D-CT) $105,400
Edwards, John (D) $66,450
Specter, Arlen (R-PA) $47,600
Emanuel, Rahm (D-IL) $32,950
Reed, Jack (D-RI) $30,100

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I am not hear to debate anything, but just ask a general question..

I have my concerns and you have yours, most, we all agree on what we want from a president, we go thru this every election.  I am not very up on everything, I don't listen to the media, they are mostly one sided.  In this forum everybody fights back and forth, you right, I'm wrong.

Here goes...

Can't we organize a friendly "march" with our demands, illegal immigration, health care, taxes etc.  Be it in town hall meetings, stadiums where ever, voice our wants, our concerns and if they don't deliver forget both of them.   Politicans are thiefs, all of them!  Remember, they work for us, we pay their salaries, their health care, their retirement.  We pay for them to wine and dine.  We end up just going for what we think they might be able to do in the long run, why can't we demand it, we get to vote on it, not them, take it out of their hands and put the choice back in ours.

This may be a stupid question to most of you,  you are obvisouly more informed on the political way things are done, I am just a person who works on the average 10 hours a day, 6 days a week and enjoys her job, but leaves little time to watch what is going on in the real world and hoping they are doing the right thing for us, but lately all these little (actually not) things keep popping what and I am sorry, I know this board is manily for Mr. Obama, but he is just as bad as the others, and if you don't believe that, then, I feel sorry for you. 

I know that it would take a lot of organization, maybe not, just put the vote out on the issue and we vote, why are our senators going to washington, we don't get what we want, we get what they want.

Like I said, this maybe a dumb question to you, but I am sure most of you have thought the same at least once or twice in your life time.

Barrack Obama is a uniquely American story.  American's have gotten to know and trust him over the past two years and this slime coming out of the McCain camp will not resonate.  The, mostly low-information, voter who truely believes that Obama is dangerous, an angry black man, a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer is minescule compared to those who simply seek to exploit any issue out of hate, racism and/or politics.  We have sunk to an all time low and it's a truly sad day for our great country.

John McCain has more reason to love this country than we can imagine. To truly appreciate how great this country is, and how important it's values are...after being left for dead, and isolated for months on end with no human contact, in a foreign country that opposes everything we stand for...until finally his country comes to his rescue and saves his life, and restores his freedom.

Say what  you want about John McCain...but this man has the most true and pure form of love for this country that a man can have.

I think we can all agree that the economy is the number one issue on most people’s mind, so let's look at this.

Unemployment rates are rising, and the national dept is going through the roof. The number one thing we can do to stop this is to create new jobs, keep large companies from moving out of our country, and attracting new corporations to the U.S. to create jobs, increase gross national product, and reduce import.

Before we look at how McCain will fix this, we need to touch base on a few things. We need to understand that most company profits are around the 10% range...including oil companies. Right now, America's corporate tax rate is at 35%...this is the third highest in the world! The average corporate tax rate in Europe and most of the world is 25%. 

This difference in taxation is equal to their entire profit margin...the difference of thriving...and going out of business. Why would you do business here when you can set up across the pond and ship your products here for less?

McCain proposes to lower the corporate tax rate to 25% so that we can be competitive with the rest of the world. This is the number one way we can create new jobs, increase export, and lower import....all of which reduces the national dept.

Obama proposes we raise the corporate tax rate by eliminating corporate tax loop holes. This equates to holding the door open for those companies who decide to hop the pond...this is the #1 thing you can do to reduce jobs in America!

Right now the stock market is really messed up,  the only way for the market to recover, is to get people to invest their money in it. You're almost certain to lose your money if you do invest..but if by a chance you're lucky enough to actually make some money...

Obama wants to raise the profit gains tax from 15% to 20 or 25%...how does this encourage people to invest?  When the market crashes...everyone's...everyone's 401K's and IRA's lose money...that's everyday Joe blows losing money. There sure are a bunch of people making less than $250,000 that invest in the market...is it really only a tax increase on the rich? 

Next, let's look at the estate tax. When you succeed in life, and you want to pass along your wealth or estate to your children...the government wants to take your hard earned money to redistribute your wealth to the less fortunate. This means when a farm owner dies...uncle Sam wants his 45-55% cut...the only way that family might be able to pay....is to sell their farm, or small business that your family built from the ground up...rather than passing along your legacy to your children.  Bush's estate tax cut has lowered it to 45%...but it's set to expire in 2011...and will return to 55%. 

Why should the government have any claim to this money at all...you've already paid income tax, social security, etc?

John McCain proposes lowering the estate tax from 45% to 15%...and raise the exempt amount to$10 million. 

 Barack Obama now supports leaving it at 45%...but previously stated he wanted to raise it to 55%...who's the real Obama?

Let's not forget about NAFTA, the north American free trade agreement between Canada, US, and Mexico. McCain plans to honor the agreement which is trilateral in nature; the terms apply equally to all countries. This promotes fare and balanced import and exports, opening the markets for people to expand their businesses, create new jobs, and obtain products from others at low prices.

Obama wishes to renegotiate the NAFTA agreement to place tariffs to ensure work and environmental standards are adhered to. I understand the motivation, we all want to save the environment...but this will mean we are dishonoring an international agreement, and seriously thwarting trade due to increased cost .. and therefore hurting the economy.

Obama has taken a stance on both sides of this issue, supporting renegotiation first, then backtracking. He either got it wrong the the first time (like the surge), he's flipped on it...or we don't really know what he wants because we don't know who the real Obama is.

As if the budget isn't bloated enough...

Obama wants to cure poverty around the world by committing 0.7% of the entire GDP to give to foreign countries...above and beyond the largest increase in foreign aid funding ever introduced...under the Bush administration.

This plan would be a whopping $845 billion over the next 13 years. This is almost an entire dollar of every 100 dollars each and every one of us makes. This is mandatory redistribution of wealth...but it's the worst kind...it's not even for Americans!!!

You won't find this in the DNC talking points - it really hurts their class warfare tactics:

--The top 1% already pays 39.9% of the tax burden.

-The top 40% pay 99.4% of the income taxes while the bottom 40% RECEIVE 3.8% through tax "credits": That means they got money back on net from the federal income tax system, rather than paying money. 

This isn't a tax break for 95% of the people...it's an increase in well fare to the 40% of Americans who pay no tax...who are not the productive members of society. This is a socialist welfare plan...are we figuring out who the real Obama is yet?

What Obama doesn't understand, is that positive reinforcement of failure, promotes failure.

What Obama doesn't understand, is that creating a scenario of diminishing returns...causes people to lose all motivation to succeed in life beyond mediocrity.

McCain doesn't want to force the rich into the middle class...he wants to enable and encourage the middle class to become rich!

VOTE MCCAIN!!!!

Mccain and company are behaving in a very, very dishonorable way.. .they are acting in a desperate fashion...they do not have a platform of reform, it's just the same old bush policies the same deceptive tactics.  Cindy mccain was dispicable her account of Obama voting against armour for her son, untrue false and the part about having Obama walk in her shoes...a chill down her spine...what is that?? mccain voted on the same bill the only difference mcain did not have a time frame to get out of Iraq and Obama's did..shame, shame on you mccain.

I recently read the Rolling Stone Article on mccain, pretty interesting...it really does outline his character, or lack of it.  It now makes more sense than ever.  His unpolicies are now clearer than ever.

Mccain is a desperate candidate and palin is ever worse... the polls are showing that the American People are tired of the mcsame..

Housing foreclosures are at an all time high. Retirement accounts are disappearing before our very eyes. We are taxed coming and going. Every day 15 to 30 % of the fruits of are labor are garnished by the Federal government. We pay federal taxes on many of the goods and services that we purchase. As if that was not enough, the Federal Reserve is adding "liquidity" or printing money and injecting credit into the market at an historic rate! That is INFLATION. Ben Barnacle (sp), Federal Reserve chairman recently testified under oath that, "… inflation is a tax"… … The bailout packages passed by congress are another form of inflation. And contrary to the doublespeak, these bailouts do not benefit the average American, unless, of course, you are a "major" shareholder in an International Bank. Do not be fooled, this is not a Democrat or a Republican issue. The finger pointing is a distraction from the real culprit, the Federal Reserve, the international bankers (and their influence over the governments of the world), and the FIAT money system. The Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson, has been given a blank check to bail out his International Banker friends, whose policies have created this economic crisis, and then put them in charge of administering the flow of money!!!... Sounds like the fox is still running the henhouse!

  The ground work for this economic recession, collapse, depression, (whatever label you want to apply to it) was laid in 1913 when President Woodrow Wilson signed into law The Federal Reserve Act. The Federal Reserve is not part of the government! It is a private banking cartel. And as a result, we are now witnessing the largest consolidation of financial power in the history of the world.

 "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men."                                                                        - Woodrow Wilson, reflecting on passage of the Federal Reserve Act

  Chances are, that your representative voted "YES" on the most recent bailout bill. That is, even after receiving an historic amount of calls, emails, and faxes. Those calls, faxes and emails represented the voice of the informed constituents, at an overwhelmingly 8-2 or 9-1 against in every Congressional and Senatorial district across the country! Did your representative vote "YES"? Or did they vote "NAY"? Send a message to the International Banking community and to Capitol Hill. Let them know, that they may be controlled by the creators of "Money and Credit", but "We the People" will no longer be beholden to them! Vote out all of the Scoundrels who voted "YES", and beware of the false "NAYS". Please campaign vigorously for fiscally responsible challengers, and 3^rd party candidates in your district and state, as though your future and FREEDOM depend on it. Elect only representatives who will vow to repeal these insidious fascist and socialist bailout programs; who will uphold their oath to protect and defend the Constitution and restore the Republic to the FREE market economy our forefathers intended.

 You have 3 short weeks to make a difference. Join the Revolution at Knock on doors, call your neighbor, organize a town hall,  take back your district, take back the HOUSE, take the message of FREEDOM viral and then together we will take back the country!

Independent Rob you are so right

I am actually terrified of neo-nazi know-nothing Palin and Chaos McCain

I want action taken against 6-Pack Sarah for inciting violence against a US Senator and McCain is responsible too -- even tho he hides behind Sarah 6-Pack

CIM do you know that Chaos McCain is also connected to Annenberg and that the Annenberg foundation is one of the most respected educational foundations in the country

if Obama is on their board he is doing amazing work!

Battlegrounds
Obama
McCain
RCP Average

Florida
48.5
45.4
Obama +3.1

Pennsylvania
53.4
39.6
Obama +13.8

Ohio
48.9
45.4
Obama +3.5

North Carolina
48.4
46.6
Obama +1.8

Virginia
50.0
44.9
Obama +5.1

Indiana
45.0
48.8
McCain +3.8

Minnesota
51.3
43.0
Obama +8.3

Colorado
49.3
45.3
Obama +4.0

Iowa
51.3
41.8
Obama +9.5

Nevada
49.6
46.6
Obama +3.0

New Mexico
53.4
39.6
Obama +13.8

New Hampshire
52.0
41.6
Obama +10.4

 McCain must win all of these Obama need to win 1 

Response to Observer's comment:

Perhaps you should look up the meaning of "radical"??  It certainly fits a lot of people - good and bad.

Besides, Bill Ayers was never convicted of anything, so what is the point?  His public views may have sounded awful or unamerican but there were a lot of other angry words spoken during the Vietnam War.  Ayers was a young man at that time and Obama was only about 8 years old.  I bellieve Obama when he said that he didn't really know Ayers when he met him in the charitable organization meeting.  If Ayers is considered a "terrorist" I doubt that he would still be working for the University of Chicago.  Read Major Domo's comments above for more insight about Bill Ayers.

Like in Viet Nam, we should all be more vocal about getting involved in Iraq too!!

I guess I'm a terrorist radical. My Grandma and 12 year old cousin is associated with ACORN and my father in law is a Muslim.  My name isn't a traditional European American name and I don't look like the traditional person running for president.  I guess you can say that about over 50% of the population.

Obama'scampaign is based on words... not on a proven track-record... if his words are not supported by facts, there’s nothing left but an empty blue suit. No experience; no judgment; no integrity; NO Obama.

Let's just hope McCain's supporters don't convince themselves to "blow anybody up," huh?

Amazing how concerned the Obama supporters are for his safety....and at the same time  have no problem at all that Obama is linked to so many hateful, violent, racist people.  How ironic.  

Extremism in any group or situation is always dangerous.  That's why I could never support Obama.  He is too far left, his associations (the people who have put him in power and want him to be elected) are some of the most extreme/radical/dishonest/violent characters in the news.  Why are these characters such loyal supporters of Barak Obama?  Aren't you people even curious?  He continues to lie about the associations and pretends to denounce these people.  You Obama kool-aid drinkers are in grave danger of being used to usher in a socialist society that will make our founding fathers spin in their graves!

The country has not been divided by McCain's or Palin's words....1/2 the country has been begging and pleading with them to step up and tell THE TRUTH about what Obama is all about.  We have pleaded with them to expose Obama's for his extremist / socialist / radical views.  Obama has zero chance of "uniting" our country because there are just too many people who disagree with his far-left view and refuse to fall for his "charismatic" rhetoric no matter how pretty or dignified he is. 

Farrakhan believes Obama is the Messiah.  How spooky is that, people?

This country is divided....period.  It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with idealogy and "world views."  You can bet your ass Obama wants to change our government and our country...and our world.....but it's not a change I want anything to do with. 

McCain is not smearing he is trying to tell you the TRUTH about a radical marxist with a long line of America hating friends. You people are either blind,stupidor evil.Obamais all of the above.

BRAVO!!!  McCain is a senile narcissist who will fall for anything in the course of standing for nothing. 

Obama is a leader who has identified the measures this country needs in order to effect the types of changes which will benefit MOST Americans...not a select and wealthy few!  McCain is woefully out of touch with "the rest of us..."  he and that ditzy pit bull he chose as his running mate are headed for the scrap pile of political failures.  We're clearly in crisis now, and "trickle-down" economics really don't cut it!

My, My , My look at the hate we spew out!!  Isn't it just lovely?

We have truthseeker cutting and pasting things he never research himself but loves o spread the hate, Elore who just says obama is words and nothing else, i'll even bet she got that from someone else. Tell me elore have you read anything and do you understand both proposals ? or are you just following what the rest are?

And i see Roy is out stomping his foot about acorn again......

Why is it when you all get your answers and they are answers you have nothing else o say? And then a few minutes later I see you on another part of the site saying the same things, trying to invoke hate and spew innuendo but not listening....just spewing....

I have learned finally that i will let you hate mongers do your dirty work because you have no real ground to stand on and are uncapable of learning something new, like there are actually black people out there and they actually have a b rain, but you can't handle that can you??

ruthseeker you have to be the worst offender...same old stuff all the time and you don't even kn ow what your cutting and pasting but someone whispered in your ear and you follow like a dog....

Obama supporters are either blind, in denial, or a toy and fries short of a happy meal. Refer to truthseeker's post, - Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:52 PM EDT. Can't you people see the pattern here? I am not ready to risk having someone like Obama have full access to the launch codes. I am simply not ready to take a chance. He is nothing but a hypocrite with a prolific speech writer on his payroll. I am not Caucasian, so you can't label me as racist towards Obama. Besides, if Colin Powell was in the race, I would vote for him.

The truth of it all. The Obama-Ayers link.

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All I have to say is this:  If any harm comes to Barak Obama physically, Palin and McCain should be held fully responsible and accountable for conspiring encouragement of manslaughter by mendacity

ABSOLUTELY THE MOST ASSINE COMMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN ON HERE!

I think Mccain and Palin can be charged with inciting a riot when things have and do go too far. Police should be at their rallies with tear gas.

I  think voting in the lesser of to evils is wrong and voting for who I believe is going to win is wrong.

Worst. McCain. Bumpersticker. Ever.

<blockquote><strong>From NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy</strong><br><strong>McCain </strong>just called on his supporters to be respectful at his town hall."We want to fight, and I want to fight, but we will be respectful," McCain said to boos at first. "I want everyone to be respectful," he then said and people began to clap.In response to a later question he added, "You can be respectful and point out facts," as he called on his supporters to point out facts to their neighbors but be respectful.<strong>*** UPDATE ***</strong> McCain just added, "He is a decent person and a person who you do not have to be scared as president of the United States."After that, McCain said of himself that he just thinks he'd be a better President of the the United States."&nbsp;Some in the crowd booed his statement and shouted, "No!"</blockquote>

<a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/10/1530713.aspx">Source</a><p> Will be interesting to see if he and the campaign he is in charge of stay on topic. <p><b>This is a test of his own leadership over his own campaign now. <br>Commander and chief of his campaign, which in reality is a business.</b>

Does anyone understand Barry's logic?

Since he was only eight years old at the time of Bill Ayers terrorist activities, he assumed he was now "rehabilitated?"

Then you cannot fault my logic:

Since I was not yet born when Hitler ravaged Europe, I assume he has since been "rehabilatated."

Either statement assumes the culprit is now okay?

BALONEY.

just a thought - if the country under Obama is not something you want to be part of - leave - cause "change" is coming. We have had to live here under an idiotic and embarassing president, who won by smearing good men, for the last eight years. I think you should be able to handle an honest and articulate president with some actual ideas for the next eight.

Here is the latest story on connections between radical anti-American terrorist groups and the higher political candidates. Not only are these extremists trying to break up the United States, which should be considered treason, but they also have connections with the Islamic Republic of Iran!

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/index.html

McCain is attempting to do exactly what this article says, divide the country.  Polarize the nation and confuse the issue, so we won't see that he has nothing to offer this country.

By using enuindoes and out right lies, he fuels the flames of racism and intolerance..  I once thought that McCain was good for this country and had he won the 2004 nomination, I probably would have voted for him.  But after seing him in action now, I am very very dissapointed. 

If McCain wants to play the Guilt by Association game, then he also needs to expound on he & Palin's ties with:

the Alaska Independence Party

Charles Keating

Richard Quinn

Joe Vogler

John Singlaub

Joe Vogler

Thomas Muthee

etc

A likely scenario if McCain wins, is that due to health reasons or AIP instigated secret assasination made to look like natural causes, he will die at some point into his 1st term. (after-all, the AIP platform is independence from the USA by military arms if necessary!)

Hence bringing Palin to power. And due to her stupidity, having little to zero chance of re-election, shortly before her term ends, she , Todd & the A.I.P. will engineer a presidential decree declaring Alaska independent. And right after a sizable chunk of our nuclear deterrent is moved to Alaska & placed under the authority of the governor-turned-president/dictator of Alaska.

Which invariably will be Sarah, Todd or a senior AIP leader.

Just something to think about & to ask McCain/Palin about at their rallies.

If McCain wants to play the Guilt by Association game, then he also needs to expound on he & Palin's ties with:

the Alaska Independence Party

Charles Keating

Richard Quinn

Joe Vogler

John Singlaub

Joe Vogler

Thomas Muthee

etc

A likely scenario if McCain wins, is that due to health reasons or AIP instigated secret assasination made to look like natural causes, he will die at some point into his 1st term. (after-all, the AIP platform is independence from the USA by military arms if necessary!)

Hence bringing Palin to power. And due to her stupidity, having little to zero chance of re-election, shortly before her term ends, she , Todd & the A.I.P. will engineer a presidential decree declaring Alaska independent. And right after a sizable chunk of our nuclear deterrent is moved to Alaska & placed under the authority of the governor-turned-president/dictator of Alaska.

Which invariably will be Sarah, Todd or a senior AIP leader.

Just something to think about & to ask McCain/Palin about at their rallies.

A quick informative read:

http://www.slate.com/id/2201953

Honestly, a 1960's issue in 2008? Obvious - that they are certainly out of touch! Obama exudes control and passion for our country. Iradic Republicans need to go to the back of the stage. Stand up Americans for a new direction, that we can all contribute.

The Shawn Hannity hate mongering and race bating stirs up the crowd, and the candidates feed on it at their rallies.  As a lifelong registered Republican, I am ashamed of the Grand Old Party of Lincoln and Reagan.  When million dollar a month radio radical entertainers replace the formality and civility of our National political process, and the "pride" of our party buys in fully out of desperation to win at all costs, is not all in fact lost.  Hannity, McCain, Palin:  Ask yourselves truthfully, who really are Great Americans?  Certainly not any of you.  You truly have become terrorists. 

John, you think of yourself as an honorable man.  With all due respect, sir, you are not.  David Duke demonstrated more respect and honor in his foray into politics than you are showing now.  Palin is a fool, and Hannity gets paid big bucks to spew his poison.  You, sir, with your experience and your history have no excuse whatsoever. 

This is for all those that love this country and are tired of the evil thread that has been coming from the Republican party lately.  So I will say this with a loud voice:

WE MUST GET OUT AND VOTE.  ALTHOUGH THE POLLS ARE SHOWING AN UPSWING FOR OBAMA, IT WILL DO NO GOOD IF WE DON'T GET OUT THERE ON NOVEMBER 4, AND VOTE. 

SO, NO MATTER WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE ON THAT DAY; GET OUT THERE AND VOTE.  IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE STAND UP AND TELL THE DESPISCABLE REPUBLICAN PARTY WITH ALL THEIR VILE HATRED; THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND WE WILL EXPRESS THIS WITH OUR VOTE.

NOW GET OUT THERE AND VOTE!!!!!!!!

FROM A FACT CHECK.ORG EMAIL SENT TODAY:

McCain cranks out some false and misleading attacks on Obama's connection to a 1960s radical.
Summary
In a TV ad, McCain says Obama "lied" about his association with William Ayers, a former bomb-setting, anti-war radical from the 1960s and '70s. We find McCain's claim to be groundless. New details have recently come to light, but nothing Obama said previously has been shown to be false.

In a Web ad and in repeated attacks from the stump, McCain describes the two as associates, and Palin claims they "pal around" together. But so far as is known, their relationship was never very close. An Obama spokesman says they last saw each other in a chance encounter on the street more than a year ago.

McCain says in an Internet ad that the two "ran a radical 'education' foundation" in Chicago. But the supposedly "radical" group was supported by a Republican governor and included on its board prominent local civic leaders, including one former Nixon administration official who has given $1,500 to McCain's campaign this year. Education Week says the group's work "reflected mainstream thinking" among school reformers. The group was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, started by a $49 million grant from the Annenberg Foundation, which was established by the publisher Walter Annenberg, a prominent Republican whose widow, Leonore, is a contributor to the McCain campaign.

FACTCHECK.ORG

It is truly a sad day in America, when you have a bitter old man trying to get Americans to spew out the venom of hatred epithets in a gathering. How dare Palin and McCain go to the lowest point a Human being who has any decency go to! Shame on them both! I hope and pray that folks will see that he is a racist and a man who I don not trust to run this country. He had the crowds screaming to kill OBAMA. I feel that by McCain and Palin causing such a anger and it could of gotten real ugly that this should be criminally looked into. There is no excuse to get a free pass for slander someones integrity based on speculations, and for trying to facilitate threatening comments that cause harm and possible action from people who are extreme and mentally unbalanced. Look at our history. JFK? Lincoln? Do we see my point?

i have to say that i read these blogs and i have to wonder what happened to the brains in our great country. If you want to know who blowbama really is, and i'm sure that some of you have enough intellengence to want to know, then you look at his friends. that would be a start. if you dont want to do that then ask yourself a question. I am really hearing everything there is to know about Hussain Blowbama? i will answer that for you. no you are not. but its not to hard to figure out.. evern if you read between the lines of his own words. he is nothing more than a anti american , anti white racist. he is bad all the way through. you people should really use some of the brains that you have and read some of the things that he has done while working for us. yes he does work for us as americans. while u are at it check out his books where he talks about "the white" people. i'm hoping that John MCcain takes the gloves off this next debate. Nobama needs slapped around a bit.

JosephNohio, is it possible that you really don't know how ignorant you look when you post crap like that?